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Topic Started: Apr 17 2017, 12:01 AM (2,228 Views)
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@goddess So why do people use books like the daizenshuu as evidence of something even if it makes something up or contradicts something?


That's a good question, one that people have been arguing back and forth on here since before I even came on here. Many people use it from what I've gathered as a result of Toriyama giving it his blessing or something to that degree. Compare that to differing dubs... well... you would probably laugh me out of the building if I were to use the Big Green or Speedy Dub to state that black people in the dragonball world are susceptible to high pitched noises (and I wish I was joking on that). That'd have about the same amount of legitimacy as using the english dub, since they're both not the source material, neither in DBZ nor in Super.
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I think it comes down to this.

You have two lines, one in Herms and one in Viz manga. Even if the viz version makes something more clear, the herms statement is more accurate

I still think the baseball made split durability a bit shakey though :P
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You have two lines, one in Herms and one in Viz manga. Even if the viz version makes something more clear, the herms statement is more accurate


Is that the same though? Herms directly translates the original japanese while Viz translates and localizes it. Herms is more accurate since that's exactly what the writers meant to show.
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I know. I was countering my point before. I was just playing devils advocate lol

Herms is like the original Japanese dub. Viz is the English dub

For example: viz makes the piccolo vs supreme Kai thing more clear but it's not like that in Herms. People still roll with Herms though
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I know. I was countering my point before. I was just playing devils advocate lol


Ah I see... how dare you argue for both sides.
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This might be for a different topic but I actually do believe the baseball episode is evidence against split durability. Do you guys agree with that?
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I think it comes down to this.

You have two lines, one in Herms and one in Viz manga. Even if the viz version makes something more clear, the herms statement is more accurate

I still think the baseball made split durability a bit shakey though :P
I suppose, but I'm simply wary of this considering Funimation's past record with it. Like turning Goku into Superman

And as for the baseball, considering that it won't change anyone's opinions anyways, I've stopped trying to figure out DBS feats.

On one hand, universe level punches, on the other hand
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same situation, very different results.

Not like trying to actually piece these together is gonna convince anyone at this point so yeah. DBS feats are simply contradictory, and I think leaving out BoG frankly makes everything a lot simpler but you know, most don't agree.
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This might be for a different topic but I actually do believe the baseball episode is evidence against split durability. Do you guys agree with that?


Depends on if you use gag evidence or not I guess. We're still arguing about if some Gotenks feats and statements are valid three decades later xD
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The baseball is a sign of ki control with punches so that would explain all those inconsistencies with shockwaves like that gif. It was pretty clear god goku didn't have a lot of control over his ki

@goddess gotenks is a bit different though because we know he's slightly a gag character. Goku isn't a gag character. Toriyama even takes the scene where goku goes to the moon in DB seriously
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The baseball is a sign of ki control with punches so that would explain all those inconsistencies with shockwaves like that gif. It was pretty clear god goku didn't have a lot of control over his ki

@goddess gotenks is a bit different though because we know he's slightly a gag character. Goku isn't a gag character. Toriyama even takes the scene where goku goes to the moon in DB seriously
Yeah but Beerus presumably does, and Freeza presumably doesn't, and yet the former resulted in shockwaves while the latter didn't, meanwhile Vegetto and Zamasu clashed and their punch visibly effected the world around them, not to mention that Zamasu had absolutely no reason to avoid that considering his goals.

It's just inconsistent.

...And did he? I'm pretty sure that was a joke. Bunny gang goes to moon. Moon Bunny.
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It's actually a pretty good joke all things considered.
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gotenks is a bit different though because we know he's slightly a gag character. Goku isn't a gag character. Toriyama even takes the scene where goku goes to the moon in DB seriously


Eh, every moment that's always argued with Gotenks is atleast semi-serious if not outright serious. And Toriyama retconned the moon jump due to him making Goku unable to breath in space.
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Well then it's goku's fault the shockwaves happened. Goku had to resort to physics to cancel the shockwaves. Frieza's form burned up a lot of energy but he still at least had decent control. God goku could barely stop himself from moving at one point

Zamasu wanted a beautiful world. Doesn't necessarily mean he wanted to destroy everything. He still wanted to fight the saiyans

Toriyama did take the moon scene somewhat seriously because he used it to measure how far the power pole can stretch in an interview
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